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Poster: SFSpearit Date: Aug 25, 2004 8:51am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead sound quality

"Also, there was this one guy in the band who loved his drugs more than you, and more than the band and more even than the music, and his performance suffered from it, and it got worse, not better."

I gotta interject.
This is a crock. On several levels.

First:
Jerry played many great shows even in the later shows. Just listen to JGB.

Second:
His playing was not a factor on the "quality of the recording"

And Third: you do not know what was in his heart and what he loved. This quote originally came from Phil, and it was a much a crock of s@#t than as it is now. I think Jerry loved music more than life. If the band would have given him 95 off who knows what would be happening. Maybe the band loved money more than Jerry? Speculation on our part is pretty meaningless. The man is dead and talking smack about him does not strike me as cool in any way.

If you want to answer the recording question look to Healys hearing loss. It seemed like a pretty big factor.

Sorry for the rant

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Poster: glenn Date: Aug 26, 2004 7:01am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead sound quality

hey, that's not MY opinion, it's Phil and Bobby's statement, and they hold it to be fact, sad as it may be that "Jerry loved the heroin more than us, even more than the music". Bill Kreutzman didn't object when it was said in his presence... so it's more than just a Bobby fantasy. Yeah there's great music from the later years, I think there's great moments even in the worst of it, in fact. And I didn't cite that as the major factor. Besides, I personally witnessed the difference, I'm not talking out my a$$... and I didn't mention Jerry's name, but YOU recognised him, so are you jumping to conclusions or was that a recognisable description?

And last, I don't "talk smack" about anyone, especially Jerry."
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First:
"Jerry played many great shows even in the later shows. Just listen to JGB.
>>>>yes, and there were some horrible embarrassing moments as well, that were painful for everyone.
Second:
His playing was not a factor on the "quality of the recording"
>>>>> yes, that's true, as far as the reproduction itself, alone, goes.
And Third: you do not know what was in his heart and what he loved. This quote originally came from Phil, and it was a much a crock of s@#t than as it is now. I think Jerry loved music more than life. If the band would have given him 95 off who knows what would be happening. Maybe the band loved money more than Jerry? Speculation on our part is pretty meaningless. The man is dead and talking smack about him does not strike me as cool in any way. "
>>>>>(cool? who cares about "cool"? not me.)
Jerry could have taken as long as he needed, all he had to do was do it. But without performing, who knows? He could have been gone much faster. Music was his life, but that's what heroin does. It becomes the most important thing. But it's been said that hot dogs were just as important of a factor.

"Maybe the band loved money..." is idle speculation. so is "loved music more than life"... and we wouldn't be talking about this if it was music he loved too much to quit.

Bottom line, though, I appreciate you sticking up for him, that's what a true friend would do.

I don't think that talking frankly about him is anything that would tarnish his memory. If I did, I would use a pseudonym on these forums instead of my name.

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Poster: SFSpearit Date: Aug 26, 2004 9:00am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead sound quality

Regardless of what band members said it I find it an offensive statement. (hence talking smack) I think the rest of the band was wrong to have said it. As you said, is pure speculation what he loved and did not. Sure Jerry was a junkie, No doubt about it. I would never try to white wash that, But to say he loved the drug more than music is a serious charge that demeans his life as a musician. He died in Rehab! This means he was trying to clean up his act. I can only imagine that perhaps his love of music, (or even the band for that matter) may have played a factor in his decision to clean up.
Jerry had a disease (drug addiction) As a recovering drunk I understand some of it. My father was an active alcholic all his life. I would not say he loved drinking more than he loved his family. I would say he had a disease that prevented him from demonstarting his love. I know the love he had in his heart, the addiction got in the way of that. The bands comments on this strike me as ignorant and hurtful. Not much better than Rush Limbaugh saying "just another dead doper" I lost a lot of respect for the band members after that statment.

Finally I do think if JGB had done a 95 tour if the Dead were off, but it would have been less stressful for him. There would not have been the same pressures. After all he had hundreds of people depending on him for their wellbeing. The JGB needs would not have been so great. What difference this whould have made who knows but I think Jer needed some time away from the GD.

I miss him so much. The world is much poorer for his passing.

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Poster: glenn Date: Aug 26, 2004 10:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead sound quality

We are 'in violent agreement', I appreciate all of what you've said and agree with most of it. Jerry will be greatly missed even by people that never met him.

To continue this squabble we would be vultures.
glenn

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Poster: localb Date: Aug 26, 2004 10:27am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead sound quality

Hotdogs? Those werent ketchup and mustard stains, on the black tee, that was ice cream. Ben and Jerrys.

Personaly, I think it must have been the roses, and ya'll are silly to post this crap and thats why I had to join in.

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Poster: dirty jev-o Date: Aug 31, 2004 10:49pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead sound quality

he ate haagen daas

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Poster: ChinaDog Date: Aug 25, 2004 11:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead sound quality

heh .. they would have given him 95 off if he wanted it .. he needed to tour to support his habits from what I understand .. if the GD didnt tour Jer would have toured solo.. I feel comfident of that regardless of if im right or wrong about his "needing" to